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• I_Like_Pupendo___

  
   

  26. marca 2008 10:52:54 CET

  i heard bad news about it...i think its right...i heard that slaves in owk have to live there forever until he dies no escape and torture so much..slaves have to surrender and give them his all money.haha..i dont know its right or not...if i love someone so much and if she get married me then i can be her slave forever but to be slave in owk or anything else not good...many girls just earn money as mistress...i want to find the princess of myheart and be her slave forever...thats all i want
• Strict_Susan

  
   

  4. apríla 2008 13:56:27 CEST

  are you for nazis?
  because i deleted my anti nazi comment!
  
• sidvicious

  
   

  3. apríla 2008 1:28:07 CEST

  Darkmoonfire is right. jessykapower is indeed a boy (sorry, but the term man just does not fit). And jessy is definitely nuts.
• darkmoonfire

  
   

  2. apríla 2008 21:50:29 CEST

  Al, please don't be fooled by jessy. Jessy is a man, mentally ill, a liar and a fraud.
  
  Proven to be this many, many times here.
  
  Yes, his views on Nazism are deeply offensive, and illegal in most European countries. He has already been reported to the authorities in a number of these countries. He will be arrested as soon as he sets foot in one of them.
  
  So in the meantime, enjoy his lunatic ravings, each one assures him more jail time.
• lohengrin

  
   

  2. apríla 2008 13:02:41 CEST

  I am not that sure if women are less evil then men - they just fight a more cunning way and manipulate men from the background. Behind every strong man stands a even more powerful women. Throughout history there just weren't as many female rulers or leaders as male ones.
  But when You quote the nazi-period it is very obvious that many women totally agreed with the politics of the Nazis and that the educated their children based on the principles of the Nazis. This was a very subtile way of supporting the system.
  Dig a bit deeper and you will find strong evidence for thousands of women being as cruel as the men were (eg Concentrationcamps-Guardesses).
  Nothing excuses what the Nazis did! But Hitler wasn't the only Nazi - he had many supporters all over the World - still up to today.
• Maku

  
   

  2. apríla 2008 0:35:50 CEST

  Jessykapower wrote: "Is Hitler the anti Christ? Not at all. He was blinded by his flawed ideology".
  
  
  OF COURSE HE WAS NOT THAT EVIL, HE WAS JUST "MISUNDERSTOOD"...
  
  THIS IS FUCKING APOLOGY OF NAZISM
• Strict_Susan

  
   

  1. apríla 2008 17:33:08 CEST

  I do not think the communists had bad intentions really. As I do not think any great leader did. A man could not reach the top level of his govermnent if he really did not care about his country.
  
  I do believe that all men should be removed from power however, because I see a great weakness in men.
  
  But as the animal Kingdom has working horses, race horses and just normal ones. It is the same in the male Kingdom. Some are strong and some are weak, but even the strongest male is still inferior to the female.
  
  But I am not about to repeat the same mistakes as all other great leaders did.
  
  I will not go crazy and start killing people because they do not believe in the theories of female supremacy.
  
  But I have included many proof in my website about the violence of men and it is this violence, this ego, that makes them incapable of taking good decision.
  
  I will write more about this in the future.
  
  But I think that even the men who do not approve the Female Supremacist views, will all agree that men are very violent.
  
  Just look at sports or young boys in the school yards.
  
  Then look at marriages, at parties, on the streets.
  
  Everywhere is violence and it is driven by males.
  
  Let's not forget that it was men that had cravings to be beaten by women. It is this hidden desire that once could only be found in the underground, that led to the existance of the Dominatirx and the creation of the OWK.
  
  It is man who created the Domme. Women do not go around with thoughts of beating on people, it is not in there nature.
  
  So! Up to date in the male ruled past history, nobody is truly guilty.
  
  No need to hate the communist, the Nazis, the capitalist, the sociaists. All these system came to existance because of the writings of so many thinkers.
  
  But you see life is like a game of Chess. If you do not open with the right moves, your Kings bishop could be blocked, so could the Queens bishop. This could mean that you might not have a chance to place the King in security quickly enough.
  
  So! Making the wrong moves at the beginning affects the whole destiny of the game and it will be impossible to correct it, the game is lost for sure.
  
  What the communist did is the same. The started with the wrong idea and then the only way to make fuction right was to improvise.
  
  Just as I can repair a car that is broken down on the highway with temporary parts to get it to the nearest city, it will work for a while, but not to it's full potential.
  
  Let's not forget history, when the religious fanatics used to kill men that believed the earth was round.
  
  Well, today we know it is round, so again this an example of a humans take the wrong direction and then cannot turn back.
  
  Many great minds have proven that the world is round, but now the next myth that needs to be destroyed is the lie about the superiority of men over women.
  
  Women have been used as whores and as baby factories for far too long now.
  
  It is time for her to rule the world in the right direction. A world in which men will be kept as slaves so they do not blow up the world with their damn Nuclear toys
  
  
  
  
• lohengrin

  
   

  1. apríla 2008 15:29:42 CEST

  Dear jessykapower
  
  Thanx for the compliments. I can asure You that I have a better job then working for the OWK! But as I wrote I spent once several months within the walls of the OWK - therefore I still have contacts to some OWK-Ladies and also some male staff of the office. That's how I keep updated. I don't have to defend the OWK. I only want people to make up their own decision by seeing this unique place once with their own eyes. Only when you have been there once you can really speak about this place. All other "eye-whitness rumors" are just rubbish. I deeply do dislike this. OWK is not perfect at all - but it is still about the best place of this kind on Earth.
  
  Sometimes especially US citizens have such strange ideas of countries which have once been comunistic. Once a slave was scared to visit the OWK because he read in a US newspaper that there is war in Europe - the Bosnian war... It's difficult to deal with such ignorant idiots.
  
  It was interesting to read what points of view regarding communism you brought up to discussion. I don't want to comment the communistic period as I didn't experience it by my very own. I grew up in western Europe.
  But my impression is that the secret of the communistic regimes was that they all just lived on other's costs: they expropriated the rich ones, they took the labour-power from many, many persons (prisoners forced to work, and everyone knows how easy it was to get sent to a prison-labour-camp) and they didn't take care of the nature at all. All this regimes just survived for such a long time grace to the treasures they were able to plunder. They lived from the substance, no sustainability at all. Once the state was ruined, the nature rotten and the the expropriated treasures wasted the systems just imploded. The winds of change were blowing in 1989... And now, western states have to rebuild this stats, provide them with new substance. Just have a look at Germany. They always sent money to the GDR but after the reunion the had to spend more then a trillion of Euros to "repair" the eastern part of Germany.
  One of the few good things about communism was that rally most of the children had equal chances to attend schools etc.
  
  You ask my about the future of the OWK.
  Well, I have now magic crystal-ball.
  I just think that during the last 10 years OWK proved that it is able to make some changes and that it can adapt to some changes. Meanwhile it is one of the leading firms on online-services for BDSM related products - special focus on femdom. The castle serves more or less as film-studio, weekend-home for the Queen and as event-location. They are always optimizing the fix-costs and they try to cut down the costs in general. OWK is even a bit more efficient then it used to be 10 years ago.
  That OWK will get in troubles with the Czech Republic is nonsens as it isn't illegal what they are doing. As long as they pay the taxes and don't commit any crime there won't be any problem. I guess, OWK is one of the most important tax-payers in Cerna (for the real estate) as well as in Zlin. Not to forget that they offer in the minimum 20 jobs. Meanwhile even the neighbourhood has no problem with the OWK anymore as they just recognized that the (a bit strange) persons there are no communists, no nazis, no followers of a destructive sect or so. And they can make business with the OWK - even in Cerna. So I don't think it will be closed down for some bad reasons like a bankruptcy or for some legal issues. Maybe they will once sell the place. That is possible because I don't know how the future will be when the Queen will retire...
• Deleted Member

  
   

  31. marca 2008 22:33:38 CEST

  It is fascinating to see that it took almost a year on this forum for me to have an intelligent exchange with a member.
  
  It took the subject of the OWK to attract a smart member that is not afraid to speak up.
  
  Maybe lohengrin is working for the Owk and his job is to defend this business.
  
  It does not matter to me who he is, the important thing is I really appreciate a good communication at last.
  
  I love history and the information you gave us about the OWK is mind blowing.
  
  Who could have thought that in this complex where men get their asses whipped, that so much history happened behind those walls.
  
  I also like the fact that you mentioned that the place was taken by the communists.
  
  It is very hard for people of the West to get any real info about the communists. The way we were educated about them was that they were all under the leadership of Satan and it was forbidden to study Karl Marx.
  
  But I am a very patient person with an enquiring mind. I did lots of research about this system.
  
  It is only after reading a book called UTOPIA IN RUSSIA, that I could finally understand what was wrong with the communist system.
  
  It is not a question of evil against good. It is more a question of ideologies. The best economic system must be the one who helps the country become more productive and by establishing such a system you increase the wealth of most citizens.
  
  So the fight was more about who has the best system. Both sides thought they had the best of course. The communists will accuse the capitalist system to feed the pigs and create monopoly. Which in the end, only brings wealth to a small class.
  
  Lenin was certainly not wrong is his observations about this. But all the wealth being controlled by a small group does not mean that the lower classes live in extreme poverty. Look at the USA, where this is the norm, it is still a place where the working class can earn a very good living if one is willing to work for it.
  
  Of course the system will penalize the lazy humans. That is very normal and even before the USA was created, the Bible still taught ( the man who does not work should not eat)
  
  Hitler was also right in his observations. He said that the capitalist system, the way it was implemented in America was evil and that it created extreme jealousy.
  
  Well! That is true, but because it is true it only proves that the system is not on trial here, it is jealousy that should be on trial. There will always be humans better than us, more wealthy, more pretty, more powerful. It just never ends and this is a matter of religion and not a matter of economics.
  
  The communists took all this in consideration and came to the conclusion that all men should be equal. That is a very nice dream but it just does not make sense. The foundation of that ideology is still jealousy.
  
  Can a man that sits on his couch all day drinking beer be equal with the man who designed the pyramids of Egypt?
  
  Or can he be equal to Kasparov the best Chess player on earth?
  
  Does anybody know how hard it is to be a master chess player? How many years of study and practice it takes?
  
  Can a beggar be equal to the man who woke up at 5 O’ Clock to take care of his farm and after 50 years of hard work became wealthy?
  
  So the question is, what really drives all men. It is the thought of improving his life. Of being wealthier. Of having more. This might sound selfish to many observers, but it is this driving force that brings also wealth to the lower classes.
  
  Only a rich man can help a poor man. If I have planted an apple tree when I was young, than only than can I give an apple to the beggar, because if it was only for him, nothing would grow.
  
  The lower classes might sometimes have barely nothing to eat. But that is good, because it is triggers the survival instincts in all human and thrusts him to a higher level.
  
  Also remember that having close to nothing is better than nothing at all.
  
  So! No matter what Kings and leaders try to do to change nature, it will always return to slavery. A RULING CLASS AND SLAVES.
  
  I call slaves the lower classes, because even if they have freedom in a sense, they still must obey they ruling class.
  
  So! What you said about the communists taking the old Place of the OWK and letting it go neglected for years is quite normal.
  
  In the Book ( Utopia in Russia) the author demonstrate how much production went down during the rule of Stalin.
  
  The only way Stalin could resolve this problem was to go on farms and threaten the owners to shoot them if they did not augment production. Of course the owners did not take him seriously until he actually kept his word and shot them all.
  
  Is Stalin guilty? Is Hitler the anti Christ?
  
  Not at all. The were people who were blinded by their flawed ideology.
  
  They had created a system that did not work. They all attacked the rich. They all wanted to distribute the wealth equally which in return took away the driving motivation of every human.
  
  But now I ask you LOHENGRIN, do you see a future with the OWK which will soon be hit with the laws of supply and demand.
• Black_Mistress_Lara_Victo

  
   

  31. marca 2008 17:42:12 CEST

  Did you see the video in youtube?
  
  I don't think that anyone involved with the Russian Mafia will taunt them that way. Besides, mafia people are very nice, so are hitmen too. I would rather be in their company than in the company of a few people I meet in the online BDSM Scene.
  
  The proof that they need strong publicity...does not say anything. Like it or not, the same people, men and women are just doing the round, shopping around..."connecting" Mistresses by force and hiding it more than 50% of the time.
  
  BDSM is not an idiot world, at all...but loyalty is there only when...Okay, I would rather stop here otherwise my sites will be insulted and I am already unable to be available to those who are flying to Paris, from the whole world.
  
  Have a good week
  
  
  
  QUEEN LARA
• lohengrin

  
   

  30. marca 2008 6:54:18 CEST
• Deleted Member

  
   

  29. marca 2008 19:46:02 CET

  Thank you very much for the info. It is sad to know that Mistress Cristine is gone. She is really the only good one. I think I will stop to be a member of that place soon.
  
  They have a terrible after sale service and mostly do not even reply to our emails and are complaints.
  
  But I have a question for you, was that place a sort of prison in the past or was it built only for femdomme.
  
  Who is the Queen?
• lohengrin

  
   

  29. marca 2008 10:31:57 CET

  Terrible to read all the bullshit some people write about the OWK - even without having ever spent a single minute there (I suppose).
  
  I meanwhile spent several months within the walls of OWK. OK, it's almost 8 years ago that I spent there about 4 months - almost for free. I only had to work and to mentain the interiors of the castle. It's true, it is a big complex and it costs a lot of money to run the place. Ask someone else who owns an old house or even a castle and they will tell you that there is always something to repair and to take care of.
  That is why the OWK charges everyone who is willing to stay there as a guest or as a slave. Guests are Ladies (with their slaves), slaves single male creatures.
  I got the impression that in older times (several years ago) there was more life within the walls of the OWK - as there were always 1 or 2 guardesses present (Loreen and Klara). But they both left the OWK meanwhile to start something different - while Sarka and Christine started their own careers as a professional dominatrix. (you can find their webpages via google). So now OWK focuses more on the events (celebrations, weekends, holidays and the filming events). This is a good idea I think as this makes sure there are more people present. Otherwise it can be quite boring to stay there as it is really a remote place. But beautiful in the heart of the Czech Republik and so close to many historical places.
  It's no problem to rent there a room (like in a hotel) and to have a great time in the walls of the OWK.
  The only important guy there is David - he is the castle-keeper and the one and only guy You can really count on (more or less). He is there for many years and he survived. :-)
  Anyway, you won't find any mass-graves there or even a single skull of a former slave. That's just bullshit. NOBODY IS FORCED TO STAY THERE! Whenever You want to get released you can leave the place. Of course, no refund will be given. But that's a part of the deal and everyone knew about this in advance.
  
  What else shall I write? Well, the OWK is a company according to the Czech law (a s.r.o.) which is similar to a German GmbH (which is some kind of a Ltd.). I think it is registered in Zlin where the main office (administration and post-production of the films etc.) is. The Queen also lives there - I guess together with her personal secretary/slave/driver/servant... Michal. Her daughter Eva runs the DOMINITY section. That's all! Nothing special, no Mafia at all, no KGB at all, nada! Maybe it is just to unspectacular to believe... That's why all this rumors grow all the time. The Queen decides what to do. She even expelled some of her guardesses (Sarka, Christina) from the OWK - because they started their own business without giving her a share of the money they earned within the walls of OWK. How would you react as a boss if your employees would make their own business in your office with your tools etc.? I think that is just a normal reaction. - To normal to believe it?!? Seems to be so...
  
  So if you still have any GOOD questions I will gladly answer them.
  
  Yours
  
  Lohengrin
• IneDiteAsoli

  
   

  28. marca 2008 17:06:31 CET

  Thanks for the info, but if this place is owned by a German business man, than really it is not about female domination at all, since he is the one making the real money.
  
  What about the Mistresses, can they live at the OWK for free?
• IneDiteAsoli

  
   

  28. marca 2008 16:22:31 CET

  No worries about OWK, OWK is in hands of some German Businessman, everything legal.
  They have grounded OWK and for them it is a normal investment and afcourse a hobby too;)
  Everybody is there as a free will, unless You tell them afcourse You want to be there for the rest of Your life as a slave, but then You also have to sign a contract.
  It is realy a normal, legel paradise for slaves and Mistresses
• dlonra

  
   

  28. marca 2008 11:05:10 CET

  All info about OWK you can get
  on www.owk.cz. You can ckeck the program and all posts from previous events. All is true and there is nothing to be fear of, except the misstress you choose. It is not cheap, but is well spent money. It is actually much cheper than paying a misstress. Might be little rough if you check in alone as a working slave. Their tax politics is realy not my concern. When you see this huge castle property all renewed for slave-misstress playground, you realize they must have spent a fortune to renovate and keep runing this place.
  
• Black_Mistress_Lara_Victo

  
   

  28. marca 2008 2:34:52 CET

  The importance of not taking everything ou see online at face value is underrated;
  
  What you see in, at least 80 percent, of videos is directored, scripted and redone 100 times to get the right images. (One of those sexy dominant acting girls told me that she will vomit, if you put her in the presence of a real submissive man.) Still, there are better Actors than others and I choose my femdom site by looking at this: DOES THIS FEMDOM LIKE WHAT SHE IS DOING? Sorry for the one who acts like a constipated chihuahua, keep that one sucker and don't get my loyal visitors!
  
  I should not be telling the above as I am a partner to many femdom sites, but many people in major huge great looking sites will dismember you or kill you b accident, if you let them in a dungeon.
  
  This was not intended to owk, but I also have to help poor children... Who wrote the Middle East thing? This made me laugh m butt off!
  
  Peace and Pleasures
• Rosko

  
   

  27. marca 2008 22:03:57 CET

  Thanks you for the info, how much do slaves have to pay to go there and is it the slaves who choose the way they will serve?
• octor

  
   

  27. marca 2008 11:22:05 CET

  dlonra
  
  How does it work? I am lifestyle Domme and would like to go there with my submissive partner. I would be interested to involve other Mistresses to play with me and my sub. Do I have to pay to everyone who would stop by us and have a chat?
  
  In regards of mafia - some money washing is possible. Sex industry locals and OWK as well have unlimited and uncontroled money income and of course some people who call themself mafia "taking care" about it - for sure! That how it works - lets be honest...
  
• dlonra

  
   

  27. marca 2008 8:44:09 CET

  I was there with my girlfriend as a misstress slave couple. You pay to enter and than you can play your fantasies. No mafia, all the way slaves heaven. We used to return to this place for several years and made many friends. Some girls are prof, some are with their lovers. You just do not have the courage to check it out.
• bildeb

  
   

  26. marca 2008 22:02:07 CET

  But we need much more info than that.
  
  Maybe from slaves who went there. But if darkmoonfire says he knows someone who went there and came back out to say he has paid too much, than what they say about slaves being trapped there is not true.
  
  But this is only the word of darkmoonfire.
  
  I know some Ladies do not have much experience. Do not forget that I have seen all the videos of the OWK.
  
  Mistress Christine and Mistress Loreen are very sadistic and believe me, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
  
  The others look at a director or something that seems to tell them what to do.
  
  The best thing would be to get a real Mistress from the OWK to inform us on this.
  
  Maybe it is just the Russian Mafia who advanced the money for such a place.
  
  It looks like it used to be a war prison or something
• darkmoonfire

  
   

  26. marca 2008 19:16:01 CET

  Are the Russian Mafia involved? Possibly? But that's likely to be true of any number of hotels you could stay in, anywhere in Europe. Certainly Karlovy Vary, as an entire city, has long had a reputation for mafia involvement.
  
  I've not been to OWK personally. I do know people who have. Mostly negative reports. One guy I know who was very experienced in SM said that he had a great time, although he did feel he paid too much money for the whole experience. He said also he could see that many of the Dommes there really had little clue of what they were doing - he was just lucky with the ones handling him.
  
  All the other things I've been told by people who visit there basically say the same thing -- the girls are pretty, but most have no idea of what they are doing. Very few speak anything other than Czech or Ukrainian - so forget expressing any special fantasies, wishes, or medical conditions unless you can speak some Czech.
  
  If you are interested in a similar experience in a nearby location you can also try The Avalon Residence in Berlin. http://www.avalon-residenz.de/acms.php?id=&lang=EN
  
  It's definitely not run by the mafia. It's wholly legally operated within German law and is very high quality. Probably higher quality than anywhere else you'll find anywhere. Not just in terms of location, but also in terms of Dominas.
• job314

  
   

  26. marca 2008 17:51:06 CET

  I don't know if the Russia Mafia is involved. But the girls are in most cases amateurs. Mostly at their start. I read an article about girl that was "domme" in some of their videos and she was so inexperienced, that she ripper flash from slave's body by whip. And I also read an article about owners and "women over men" credo, because owners are men (I think, two businessmen) and their security guys commands woman (for example during interview to prevent some leak of information). It was available on Czech bdsm servers.
• PonyPlay

  
   

  26. marca 2008 16:52:20 CET

  I watch the videos of the OWK almost every night and I always believed men go there to live out there fantasies.
  
  I hope what I am hearing is not true.
  
  If it is true and slaves are kidnapped, than this must stop.
  
  I would like info about that place.
  
  I went to the link you gave in here, but it does not say much